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Hello, I was curious if there is somewhere here, or on another website where you can make private Wikipedia pages. I feel reluctant to use the sandbox since other people may be able to edit or delete it. Wastelandhero18 (talk) 16:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

No, that isn't possible. However, your sandbox can be semi-protected so that anonymous IP addresses cannot edit it. I have protected user-space pages by request; let me know.

If you want a truly private draft, then compose it in a document on your personal computer. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wastelandhero18, welcome to the Teahouse. There are no private pages in Wikipedia. Other users can see User:Wastelandhero18/sandbox but are unlikely to edit it unless you place article categories or illegal content like copyright violations. The content should still be Wikipedia-related, e.g. tests and article drafts. If you want full privacy while still having access to Wikipedia features like our templates then you have to save your work elsewhere and only use "Show preview" here. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. Wastelandhero18 (talk) 17:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Presumably you can start a public wiki only you can edit. [1] may have something interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I'd say the issue with a "private draft" is that unless you intend it to be a draft forever, it's eventually going to be editable. -- D'n'B-t -- 17:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

That is something I've also been wishing for. I wonder if it has come up in discussion by the senior editors before. If not, maybe, @Wastelandhero18, we could make this a proposal to post at the Village Pump, Proposals area, a place I just discovered recently. Augnablik (talk) 06:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Not trying to rain on your parade, but I think there's pretty much zero chance of something like that ever happening, and proposing such a thing at the Village Pump will almost cerainly quickly lead to at least one if not many more replies citing WP:NOTWEBHOST. For reference, even pages in the user namespace aren't "owned" by anyone other than the Wikimedia Foundation explained in WP:UPOWN. The best advice anyone can give you if you want to retain full-editorial control over or otherwise keep your work private is to never post it on any Wikipedia page as explained in WP:REALWORLD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Raising an umbrella too. Augnablik (talk) 08:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik (and @Wastelandhero18), what springs to mind for me is Google Docs. It is possible to make a document there that you (and/or people you invite, and/or the entire internet) can edit to your liking, and you can also limit who can view it - just you, only people you invite, or everyone with the link. Perhaps this would be a better match with what you envision? StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Editing

I used to be able to edit Wiki pages, but seem to have lost that ability. What went wrong? M.N. Thaler (talk) 10:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@M.N. Thaler This account is new, so you can't currently edit articles with some level WP:PROTECTion, but those are relatively few, marked with a padlock in the upper right corner. For example, you should be able to edit Bellis perennis. Most protected articles have Semi-protection. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for answering. This account isn't new – I have been editing for a few years from this account, but for some reason that is not possible anymore. M.N. Thaler (talk) 05:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@M.N. Thaler My mistake, see: [2]. My point remains that since you atm only have 3 edits on en-WP, the en-WP protections, semi and others, will get in your way. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

How to recover a page that has been deleted

How can I make a request to recover the draft of a page that went through the articles for deletion process? I'd like to see what the original draft looked like so I can update it as new references are available since its deletion. Nnev66 (talk) 15:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Nnev66 Depending on what criteria it was deleted under, you can request undeletion for a page. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, WP:UNDELETE is a bit confusing and but I've requested the page be restored as a Draft and will see what happens. Appreciate your response that this process may be OK for article that had originally gone through AfD. Nnev66 (talk) 16:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

FYI, in case anyone has my question, I was told if one wants to recover a Draft page they should contact the admin who closed the Articles for Deletion discussion and not use the undeletion mechanism. I'll update here once I have a final resolution to this issue. Nnev66 (talk) 21:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Would this article be notable enough?

Hi there!

So currently I am trying to create the articles for the 4 railway routes in Iraq, the IRR Southern, Western, Northern and Transversal. The Southern and Transversal articles already exist, for the Western Line I have prepared a sandbox but the biggest issue would be the Northern railway. The problem is, that the article for the IRR Northern kind of exists already as the Berlin-Baghdad Railway article. The thing is that the article does not really focus on the Iraqi section as well as the current state of operations and transformations in Iraq or generally anything that only matters to the Iraqi section, not just the entirety of the railway, which is fair. Would you say an article solely for the Iraqi section would be notable enough or would it be silly to create two articles for effectively the same railway?

With kind regards,

Johnny Does JohnnyDoobydoo (talk) 18:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, JohnnyDoobydoo. There are two separate questions here. Whether the Iraqi section of the BBR is notable by Wikipedia's standards depends just on the number and quality of reliable independent sources about that section specifically (the sources do not have to be online, and do not have to be in English, though English sources are preferred if they exist).

If the sources are not there (remember, for that section specfically), then there cannot be a separate article.

If the sources exist, then a separate article is possible, but that does not necessarily mean it should exist. Is there enough worth saying about that section specifically that merits a separate article? This is an editorial decision (and editors may disagree about it!). The alternative is to create a section about it in Berlin-Baghdad Railway, and then you can create a redirect that points to that section. Discussing this on Talk:Berlin-Baghdad Railway might be a good way to start. ColinFine (talk) 08:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

add only Talk page to Watchlist

Can I add only the Talk page (not its article) to my Watchlist for new topics? Thanks. rootsmusic (talk) 19:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

You can subscribe to sections in the talk pages in the top right of the section header Adriancph (talk) 22:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry Adriancph, I just discovered a "subscribe" link in the tool pane under Actions. I mistakenly thought that I should click on the star symbol (Alt+shift+W). rootsmusic (talk) 22:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may find this page informative. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft on lake

Hello, I'm needing some advice for my draft, which is a lake in Kansas and I was wondering what I need to fix. Thanks RoyalSilver (talk) 19:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi RoyalSilver. I'd suggest looking for some sources independent of Shawnee County's own publicity, such as some news coverage or a travel guide. As it is now, you've got four references but they're all coming from the same place. Good luck with your article! -- D'n'B-t -- 19:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

One thing I see becoming an issue is that you're currently writing backwards. This is problematic because it is original research and that it can sometimes be hard to verify to the standards of Wikipedia that something is true.

Also, note that not all Wikipedia articles need images. Your map really doesn't tell all that much about the lake itself as I cannot see it. If you really want an image, you could take it yourself and add it to Wikimedia Commons. ✶Quxyz✶ 02:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm looking for a book

There is a book, used as a source on Wiki article. I need to read and verify it. However cannot find free version of it. I already tried Google, Archive.org, and Wikipedia Lib. What else can I do? Is there any community or page (in wikipedia) to ask for a book? Aredoros87 (talk) 20:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Aredoros87,

Have you tried a public library? You may also find some more ideas of what to find what you're looking for on this wikipedia help page.

Let us know if you have other questions! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

For part of a book, WP:RX. 126.158.251.60 (talk) 21:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

My general strategy when attempting to access a "book" is to start with WorldCat. The main reason for this is that if I'm having trouble getting what I want from archive.org, I'll already be aware of the existence or non-existence of the alternatives that WorldCat shows. Be aware that although Open Library accesses through the archive.org interface, there are occasional differences in what you may actually be able to access.

Note that when WorldCat points you at some other "free" sources, these are often actually restricted to those who have an association with the associated institution, Hathi Trust being a notable exception. Fabrickator (talk) 22:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Aredoros87 You say that you saw the book already used as a source on a Wikipedia article. If you doubt that the book supports the article content and are trying to verify that it does, then one suggestion would be to raise the issue on the Talk Page of the article and WP:PING the editor who added that citation. For well-watched articles there are likely to be several people interested in the topic who have access to the passage in question and who might even be willing to email you a copy of the relevant pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks eveyone for help! Aredoros87 (talk) 18:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

New to editing

hello! I am new to editing on Wikipedia, does anyone have any tips for me? Pasta Crab (talk) 22:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pasta Crab: Welcome to the Teahouse. As a new user you should have a homepage that gives you some suggested edits. If for some reason you don't see it, you can check Preferences → User profile → Newcomer editor features → Display newcomer homepage. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pasta Crab: Don't be anxious to create a new article. That can easily lead to a lot of frustration as your efforts are highly likely to be repeatedly rejected for seemingly arbitrary reasons. Eavesdropping on the Teahouse and at WP:Help desk will give you some idea of the sorts of issues new users encounter.

If you are tempted to edit an article, make sure you understand about the requirements to cite WP:Reliable sources for any claims made. Be aware of the standard way to properly format citations. (That's a joke, there are various "standard ways" to format citations.) I imagine most new editors these days are using the visual editor, but if you want to see the "wikitext", that might give you some insight in what's going on underneath.

There are indeed some introductory areas, such as listed on Help:Contents and various other links listed in the left margin (at least in the non-mobile page layout). So just play around, as you explore, discover the issues people are encountering, you'll be less likely to trip and fall when you decide that the time has come for you to add or edit content. Fabrickator (talk) 23:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Main tip: when in doubt, ask. You have already made one of the key discoveries, that the Teahouse is a great place to come for help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

how do i write my biography

Olamuyiwa isaac daodu Daoduofvaughan (talk) 22:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Daoduofvaughan: Welcome to the Teahouse. We strongly discourage editors from creating articles on themselves as it is virtually impossible to write about oneself in a neutral manner. Perhaps you could contribute to the encyclopedia by helping edit other articles? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you notable in any way? WP:Notability might answer this question. Wrosh (talk) 22:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I so heartedly appreciated your response, can you help me do it? Daoduofvaughan (talk) 22:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Olamuyiwa Isaac Daodu was Declined because you submitted it with no content. Please do not submit again until you have content and references. Teahouse Hosts are her to advise, no to be researchers or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 01:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

What are Start-Class articles?

A stub is a article which is to short the length of which i am unsure about but what exactly is a Start and where can one find this information. thank you in advance for helping a new Wikipedian. Adriancph (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Adriancph: Welcome to the Teahouse. Does this table help? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Unreferenced Section

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilesh_Jalamkar i found this Article,But It Dont Have Reference to Personal Life,I am a New Editor here...Can I add Tag

to Personal Life Section as New Editor ? Steelbird1967 (talk) 02:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello there... yes you can tag it, but you might also wanna consider deleting completely unsourced sections like this in a Biography. I hope this helps. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Side note: there is a specific tag for BLPs in {{BLPUnsourced}}. ✶Quxyz✶ 02:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Unsourced content in a BLP? Delete it ASAP. Cremastra (talk) 23:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Updated the page of a relatively important figure in the Libyan Civil war, would someone mind checking my writing/sourcing?

Found out about that Al-Mahdi Al-Barghathi had died last October, in rather circumspect circumstances, but that the Wikipedia page still talked about the man as alive. So I figured I'd do some digging and update the page. I've spent some hours researching, and found what seem to be the most accurate/reliable sources, but I'm not sure if I formatted the brief and long bios as best possible. If anyone would mind checking the article and editing it so it fits with Wikipedia style that'd be great MWvBins (talk) 03:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

• It seems OK to me. If another editor agrees with me, you can just move forward and forget about it. Bduke (talk) 04:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

• Doesn't seem to have notable issues at all. Move on I guess. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 04:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Canoe help, anyone?

I'm editing an article entitled Canoe. Down at the bottom is what seems to be a template called "Clear" applied to a small section of text under a heading of "Canoe launches." I thought what Clear was likely to be for was to suggest that the small section be removed, because it's so small, without real discussion, and (at least to me) not of much value to the article.

But when I clicked on "Clear," it seemed to indicate that it was to clear up parts of photos. Because there was no photo in that section, I'm wondering why it's there. I'd love to find out. Augnablik (talk) 09:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

That's a template, which you can check out at {{Clear}}. Basically, its role is to ensure that white space is created to avoid images clashing with text, especially in this case the section header following, in various browser window widths. You should leave this alone unless you are clear [pun intended] about the consequences of removing it! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Michael D. Turnbull, with an extra dollop of — let me be clear here — appreciation for your “pun intended.”

It’s because I did check out the template that I was confused because the Clear icon is just sitting in a text areas with no photos. My question was why it was there. Maybe it was unintentional on the part of whoever put it there. Augnablik (talk) 11:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree that the clear template there is doing nothing there; what probably happened is that the image it was intended for got removed at some point, and the removing editor forgot to take out the template as well. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense @Ca — I hadn’t thought of that — thanks. I should be able to remove Clear worry-free. Augnablik (talk) 15:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Can I remove a redirect for a page that now exists?

A few months ago I created the page Warped Tour - 2012, however this wasn't the exact name I wanted to use. I would have preferred to call it "Warped Tour 2012" without the hyphen (as this fits the format of the other Warped Tour year pages), but when I originally tried to move it out of the draft state into an article, it wouldn't let me use that name as it said it was already taken. It also does not let me changed the name of the page now that it is an article, giving me the same reason.

Since from what I can see, a page dedicated to the 2012 version of the Warped Tour did not exist prior to me creating this one, I think what might be going on here is that "Warped Tour 2012" is currently set up as a redirect to the main Warped Tour page so it in a way already exists on Wikipedia and won't let me replace it. So this has me thinking that this redirect needs to be removed to allow for the new page to take it's name.

I'm not well versed in Wikipedia so I'm aware that I could be way off the mark with what's causing me to not be able to rename the 2012 page, it might be unrelated to this, but this is what I think may be the issue here. Any help would be much appreciated, thank you! Owen1141 (talk) 12:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

The article existed before and was deleted in 2014 per Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Warped_Tour_2012. Only the redirect was left. Though an administrator can more your page over this redirect. Ruslik_Zero 13:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

So moved. Now at Warped Tour 2012. Deor (talk) 14:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

help with table

Hello. I am kind of new to Wikipedia. I came across Stanley Kamel#Filmography, and I tried a lot of things to fix the table, but it isnt getting fixed. Would someone kindly fix the table? —usernamekiran (talk) 13:03, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Usernamekiran. You don't appear to have edited Stanley Kamel, and it is not obvious to me what the problem is with the table (or even which table). Please clarify. ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran I fixed one minor problem which is what I assume you were worried about. However, I can't find the name of the character on IMDb and given how many things Kamel appeared in, it may be better to remove that row altogether as not being notable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

False signature?? The query is 'signed' usernamekiran, but the entry and editing to the Kamel article appear to have been made by a different account. usernamekiran is clearly not "...kind of new to Wikipedia". David notMD (talk) 16:05, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

The edits were made by usernamekiran using his alt-account (note x at the end), so I don't think anything untoward is going on. It seems he was being modest about his experience! Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

When this question was asked the last edit to the article had been in January by an IP, so I assume they tried to fix it in preview. – 2804:F1...09:2AE4 (talk) 03:06, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

• Hi. @David notMD: Yes, I apologise for the confusion. I never edited the article, I came across the filmography's film table, and tried to fix the inaccurate boxes. Instead of saving, I checked the preview, and my attempts hadnt fix the issue. @ColinFine: the minor issue that I was talking about has been fixed by Michael D. Turnbull. Regarding the alt ac, I accidentally made the edit from that account, I was logged in to the alt ac from private/incognito window (I often do that to view Wikipedia as newly registered/auto-confirmed user), I didnt realise I had edited teahouse using the alt ac. Thanks a lot for the help, —usernamekiran (talk) 10:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

ha e

Have they removed soil from da Nang air base 66.171.21.41 (talk) 16:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. If Da Nang Air Base doesn't have the answer to your question, you could trying asking at one of the reference desks; WP:RD/H would probably be the best fit. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 16:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Issue with exporting pages with their templates

Hello,

I am getting the following error when I attempt to export pages with the included templates. I am able to export them without the templates. Is there something I can do to troubleshoot? It had worked earlier in the week.

Request from 173.71.130.68 via cp1104 cp1104, Varnish XID 554392182
Upstream caches: cp1104 int
Error: 500, Internal Server Error at Fri, 10 May 2024 16:13:52 GMT

173.71.130.68 (talk) 16:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello IP user. (Exporting pages? That's not the sort of question I expect to find on the Teahouse!) I suggest you ask at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

It was asked there a few hours prior, where someone noted it is a bug whose fix is scheduled to be released on Monday. See WP:VPT#special:export. DMacks (talk) 06:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Automatically filling an infobox person from Wikidata

I'm editing a Draft for the article Pere-Enric_de_Ferran_i_de_Rocabruna in the english Wikipedia. I'm trying to insert an infobox person using {{Infobox person/Wikidata | fetchwikidata=ALL}}, as it is sugested in the tutorials, but the box is not being automatically filled from Wikidata, eventhough a Wikidata element does exists with the same title as the article. In the draft edit page, under Tools menu, I'm not finding any link to Wikidata. Xfmol (talk) 16:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Xfmol, Welcome to the Teahouse. I am curious. Which tutorial recommends using {{Infobox person/Wikidata}} rather than {{Infobox person}}? The link to Wikidata for an article is not by name but by article link. Draft articles aren't linked to Wikidata, so you will need to wait until the article is in mainspace. Also the template will only pick up data which has references, and very few of the items at for that person have sources.

It appears you are translating the article from another language rather than writing in your own words. You must indicate this. See Help:Translation#License requirements. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

In Template:Infobox person/Wikidata section Usage there are several examples using {{Infobox person/Wikidata}} Xfmol (talk) 18:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Xfmol. I was about to give you much the same response as StarryGrandma; but I want to note that infoboxes are not required in articles, so it should make no difference to the review process whether you have an infobox or not. I suggest you simply comment out the infobox for the present (put it between <!-- and --> )

However, what will make a difference to the review is that Draft:Pere-Enric de Ferran i de Rocabruna has only one source cited, and therefore does not establish that he meets the criteria for notability in English Wikipedia; and also it is written in flowery language, inappropriate for English Wikipedia.

Please note that different versions of Wikipedia have different rules and policies, so the existing of an article in another Wikipedia does not guarantee that the subject will meet the requirements for English Wikipedia. Please see WP:Translation. ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. It is a draft editing page and I am just starting to write the article; of course the article will be far more extended and will have >10 references. I'm almost a begginer editor, I've already contributed to the catalan, spanish and french Wikipedias, but this is the first time I'm contributing to the english Wikipedia. Xfmol (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Xfmol As others have mentioned, I don't think you can create an infobox this way until you already have an article in mainspace. But you can certainly copy the {{infobox person}} into your draft (without filled-in parameters) and then use the Wikidata entry here to copy-paste in key information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Shakespeare's use of color purple

literary references using color purple 2601:8C:4680:F4F0:7058:B971:4F6F:FDA1 (talk) 17:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

If I understand you correctly, try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. But clearer. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. For general knowledge questions, please ask at the Reference Desk. ColinFine (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Watermark

Hello, I uploaded a new image and I just noticed that it had a watermark at the bottom right, and I don't know what to do now. Could someone help me? RoyalSilver (talk) 18:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @RoyalSilver. Usually watermarked images are not released under Creative Commons and are copyrighted to the author, in this case Rich Minear. Where did you get the photograph from, how do you know it's released under CC BY 2.0 DEED?

In any case it's not totally clear what you are asking. Qcne (talk) 18:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Qcne, It was from Flickr, and when I clicked on their license rights, it redirected me to CC BY 2.0 DEED website RoyalSilver (talk) 18:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, found it. Looks like it was originally a copyrighted piece, then released under CC (see License history) which I presume is why the Watermark is still there. However, the Flickr image states it is CC BY-NC-ND 2.0 DEED, not CC BY 2.0 DEED as you have stated on the file page. That means you cannot crop it to remove the watermark.

I'd suggest finding a better photograph that complies with our policies. Qcne (talk) 19:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@RoyalSilver and note that Commons cannot accept any license which includes the NC / ND stipulations: Wikimedia only hosts images that can be used commercially and can be modified. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Klick Help

Hi Teahouse,

I'm feeling quite stuck. I submitted an extensively researched Draft through Articles for Creation about the large Canadian-based and now global company, Klick. (After disclosing my COI in both my username and on my user page).

From the 58 total references in the article, I singled out seven significant, independent, reliable, and secondary sources from major media, business news, and leading industry publications:

1. Globe and MailAvailablel at web.archive.org
2. Yale School of Management
3. Toronto Business Daily
4. MM+M
5. Strategy
6. Campaign Canada
7. Campaign Asia

Meanwhile, I've been told the draft had too few references, too many references, references that were paywalled, and references that [prohibitively] quoted principals of the company in the context of their reporting.

Financial Post:

"[Klick] has grown into the world’s largest independent digital health agency. The award-wining company has been growing profitably for 15 years and is a Branham top 10 healthcare IT company as well as having been named by the World Economic Forum as a Global Growth Company to watch."

I'm doing everything requested, but objections seem to keep coming. Thank you very much for your help, Marisa. Marisa at Klick (talk) 19:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Marisa at Klick. I don't quite understand why you felt the need to create a new topic here instead of responding to my pretty comprehensive advice at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#18:06,_9_May_2024_review_of_submission_by_Marisa_at_Klick.

Was there something about my latest reply you didn't understand? Qcne (talk) 21:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

(I also note I specifically said that Paywalled references weren't an issue, just that I couldn't access it myself) Qcne (talk) 21:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi User:Qcne. Thank you for your help. Because of the deep work I've done on this article and the number of objections I've already addressed, I wanted to seek a third opinion. I think I've done everything you've asked, and I appreciate your guidance. I still think the extensive sourcing about this company surpasses the notability and corporate inclusion guidelines. So, I'm looking for others to weigh in.

To offer more reasons why I am confident, here are 13 additional sources about the company and its products. They are each independent, reliable and secondary. They vary in significance of coverage but leave no doubt about notability as a whole.

1. WSJ
2. FINANCIAL POST
3. CNET
4. CNBC
5. CBC
6. GUARDIAN
7. TORONTO SUN
8. USA TODAY
9. STANDARD
10. CBC
11. MEDSCAPE
12. SCIENCE ALERT
13. CNET

Thanks again, Marisa at Klick (talk) 21:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Marisa at Klick I can understand your frustration, as you have obviously worked hard to draft an article about your company to Wikipedia's standards. My opinion is that you now have too many citations, which makes it very difficult for the reviewers to focus on the best. For example, as a professional scientist, I clicked through to #12 here to see what it said. I found an article clearly based on an interview with Kaufman at Klick, so not WP:INDEPENDENT of the company. To accept article drafts, we need to be convinced of notability based solely on sources meeting these criteria. So my advice would be to trim the text to what you can base just on these types of sources and re-submit. Once the article is accepted, you can suggest further edits (via its Talk Page in view of your COI): none of your work is lost as it will be in the history of the article and can be re-introduced later piece by piece. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Marisa at Klick, Wikipedia:Citation overkill might also help. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Marisa at Klick, apparently you do not yet understand the importance of the indepependence of a source, which is just as important as the reliability of a source when it comes to establishing the Notability of a company. I read five of your sources, selected from both your lists. All were based heavily on quotations from company officials and one was overtly based on a Business Wire press release from the company. All showed signs of being generated by the public relations efforts of the company. All of them are of no value in establishing that the company is notable. The issue is too many mediocre sources and too few (if any) sources that are completely independent of the company, indisputably reliable, and that devote significant coverage to the company. My recommendation would be to ruthlessly remove all of the sources that are not independent and reliable and that devote significant coverage to the company, plus all the content that they support. Source quality is vastly more important than source quantity. Do not burden reviewers with reading mediocre sources. Present only excellent sources that establish notability for them to read. Cullen328 (talk) 00:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Brutal cutting, to improve likelihood of being accepted. Needs more work cutting references. David notMD (talk) 02:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

The awards list, although referenced, does not contain the types of major awards that Wikipedia values as contributing to notability. David notMD (talk) 11:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

"Speedy deletion"

Hi,

I signed up for a Wikipedia account yesterday and I thought I could briefly introduce myself in my user page, but I was told that what I wrote didn't comply with Wikipedia goals or something. How can I fix it? I see that some admins are able to introduce themselves without getting their page deleted, and I sort of don't understand where the problem was.

I saw this part about providing a link to the page I'm asking about, but it's completely empty anyways (my user page was labelled "speedy deletion" or something yesterday and this morning when I checked it was completely wiped blank).

Thank you so much!

Oscar talk ᎧSᏣᎪR 03:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Pls review WP:UPNOT.....that seen have fun with Wikipedia:User page design guide Moxy🍁 03:20, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much!! talk ᎧSᏣᎪR 03:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Getting back into old account

Can someone help me getting back into my old account 'Rafeh96'? 142.162.33.15 (talk) 07:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello. If you did not have an email address attached to your account Preferences to be able to recover your password, and you cannot remember your password, there is no way to regain access. You may create a new account and identify it as a successor account on the user page(example, "I am user1234, I was previously Rafeh96 but lost access"). 331dot (talk) 07:30, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

The last edits by Rafeh96 were in November 2015. Perhaps best to do as advised - start a new account and mention on your User page that you once were Rafeh96. David notMD (talk) 11:43, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Question

Any admin here? I'd like to ask a question. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 13:54, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Wolverine XI There are several admins who regularly patrol this page, but any questions here can be answered by anyone. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

So, may I ask: Is free speech permitted? It appears that sarcasm and other offensive language are frowned upon in Wikipedia's community, and may sometimes lead to sanctions. If my opinion is contentious, can I still express it, or should I just say what everyone wants to hear? I am aware that not everyone on Wikipedia is nice; many merely put up a nice face to comply with rules and policies. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 15:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a platform for free speech. If you want to voice personal opinions on real world topics, then there are many alternatives. If the opinion is related to Wikipedia editing, feel free to express it by seeking consensus and commenting on/opening discussions. As long as nobody on Wikipedia knows about your opinions, there is no possible damage caused. (See this section of a essay that focuses on bigotry in particular) Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ca: Have you seen the admins' noticeboard? And why are you giving me a link to hate speech? Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 15:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

You may find the Allegory of the long spoons instructive. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I want to create a page for a higlife legend in Ghana

Ive created it but it' still under review, can you please take a look at it and see if i've done the right thing Ohenebaprempeh (talk) 13:57, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ohenebaprempeh Please see the messages on your talk page. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Ref. in efn

How to fix issues regarding regarding citation error in efn like on 279? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 18:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: There were two errors. One was a missing {{notelist}} to make efn footnotes display correctly. I fixed it with this edit. The second error was a harv/sfn no-target error which I fixed by adding the missing source like this. DuncanHill (talk) 18:46, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, thank you for telling what was wrong and fixing it. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 18:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Infobox items

How do I change the order of items in an infobox? On the page for C-3PO, I would like to move the "Creator" line above the "Affiliation" line. Wafflewombat (talk) 18:59, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I'm not certain that you can, or even that you should, as infoboxes by design are meant to be consistent across all articles, at least for the particular topic area. 331dot (talk) 19:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense. Thanks for the reply. Wafflewombat (talk) 20:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

As 331dot said, the order of the lines is set in the infobox template; each line has a number and they're kept in strict order. See the documentation for {{Infobox}} (which is used to make infobox templates) to see how this works. Cremastra (talk) 20:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Article

Why was my article rejected? 78.211.147.147 (talk) 19:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

If you are referring to Draft:Oh What A Goal By Cristiano Ronaldo!, and you need to ask, you need to learn more about Wikipedia and what we do here so you can take it seriously. 331dot (talk) 19:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Help with article

Could someone reach out to me on Discord (username: fly2ohare) or some other platform to help me with an article about FMC Natatorium in Westmont, Illinois? Cyao123 (talk) 20:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:FMC Natatorium.   Cyao123, the decline notice at the top of the draft explains why it was declined: it lacks references establishing that the subject is notable.   Maproom (talk) 21:06, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Would you be able to reach out to help me with drafting? Cyao123 (talk) 21:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)